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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aussiebug wrote:
bricat70 wrote:
I just use the unleaded and when i think of it chuck in same additive. It runs fine to me which ever way i go.
I think what ever you are comfortable with, just go that way.

brian


You don't need additive....you don't need additive...you don't need additive.

Read my article above.

VWs never DID need lead in the fuel to stop valve seat recession (that' s what most additive are for).

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Hooray- very hard to convince people- valve problems in VWs are usually lack of service- dirty and missing tinware- some genius non VW mechanic taking foam seal out to let more air in etc etc. Plus not adjusting tappets.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks rob, i read you.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And thank yuou also mate.

you know who you are.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always used premium in all my VW’s; I also run a fuelstar tin canister and my cars do run better on premium, so I for one will keep on useing it.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told by a very reputable VW mechanic that because VW engines are air cooled, they are designed to run at much hotter temps anyway.

So there wasn't the need to do anything extra to the valve set-up if rebuilding or to use an additive.



As for premium v regular unleaded, when you actually get what you pay for I notice the difference in my late model euro car (twin turbo 6 that specifies high octane fuel use).

The problem is that most of the time the high octane fuel performs no different to the regular now days (but the price difference is getting larger). I am really discerning about where I buy premium from to make sure its worth the premium price.



As for running high octane in VW's

I used to run my dual cab on Avgas (100 octane) every now and then just for fun. It certainly ran a lot better Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my Kombi there's no noticeable difference in performance or economy whether I use ULP or ULTRA.

My original handbook advises that 91 Octane petrol is the fuel requirement, which is the Octane rating of ULP.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.A. Fuel is different then the rest of Australia-almost different than the rest of the world.
Quite a few years ago when fuel prices started to rise some independants were bringing petrol in from Singapore which was selling well below local prices.
As we have only one refinery some marketing genius convinced the Govt of the day that the petrol processed at BP Kwinana was the cleanest in the world.
Subsequently legislation was passed that ONLY this formula can be sold in W.A.
This means , like nearly happened a couple of years ago when stocks got low and Kwinana had a problem, we cannot import fuel from anywhere including Eastern States..... but we can import from Canada. This is from a BP Refinery out of Vancouver which just happens to be the only refinery in the world using the same formula. Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil

People who drive some of the late model turbos and drive over from east are shocked at difference in running and many have fuel readouts and cannot believe what we have here.
Hooray for aircooled  VWs- most will run somehow on power kerosene through to Avgas and Scotch whiskey also.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weelll, probably NOT on Scotch wiskey - that's 60% water, so only 40% is alcohol, and ALL ethyl alcohol contains 40% used oxygen, so that means 40% of the 40% alcohol content of whiskey is not available to the engine.  Better to use that to fuel yourself, so long as you aren't driving afterwards!

Even 10% ethanol (E10 petrol) makes a bug (or any carburetted engine) run 4% lean, and performance WILL suffer unless you increase the main jet size to richen the mixture back into stoichiometry (air/fuel balance).

The bug engine has hardened steel valve seats so it does not suffer from valve seat recession (leaded fuels stopped VSR in engines with "soft" cast iron heads).

The bug engine has exposed valve stems (no rubber caps), and phosphor bronze valve guides; so the valves get enough lubrication from the engine oil - they don't need the extra lubrication provided by the oily Tetra Ethyl Lead additive in leaded fuels (this lubrication was useful in cast iron heads to help lubricate valves stems).

The bug engine needs only 91RON (87AKI in the USA) octane for normal compression engines, and it doesn't matter HOW the refinery gets the 91 number.  That number is only an anti-knock indicator, so buying a higher octane fuel does NOT help the engine at all.

BUT - some high octane fuels are also formulated  as more dense fuels - there's more carbon and hydrogen atoms per litre, so there is a little more fuel in the fuel, if you follow that.  That will make carburetted engines like the VW run a little richer, and of course we all know that richer means a little more power, so some higher octane fuels MIGHT help engines which are otherwise running a little on the lean side - but not because of the octane rating.
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aussiebug wrote:

All the stock compression aircooled VW engines from the 1500 up to the 2000 Kombi engine recommend 91 RON octane.  That's exactly what normal unleaded in Australia is, so that's all you need unless there has been some modification or alteration to the engine requiring a higher octane rating.

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read the above article and was a big help its always good to be learning Smile  thanks for the help!


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