Roller Painting

Brookie · Roller Painting

Painting by Roller-Posted this on AVD and a couple of other forums approx 18 months ago- it still continues-now 60+ pages of posts.
I bought the proper rollers etc about 18 months ago but haven't got round to doing it. Tried it on van and it looked good and that was a auto spray laquer

http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/show...&pp=10&highlight=spraying

This is another later link with Beetle paint job
http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/show...light=Painting+rollers&page=7

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Gabbo's Run

i found this one today, thought i had a great find, but someone else beat me in a different post.

Paint your car with a roller!?

brian

Piratekombi

I am seriously considering giving this a go (I might practice on Alice's car, first...) Laughing

Great stuff! Smile

Kinga

I have read so many forums on roller painting over the last few days.

It has certainly got a lot of people talking.

Waiting to see someone put up some photo's and say "check out me bus, I just painted it with a roller on the weekend"

Rawdyn

I am seriously thinking about it. Two issues I would want to check out are;

1. How easy is it to remove if you end up wanting a normal paint job down the track (i.e. if you bugger up the application with the roller)?

2. I imagine most of the cost of 'painting a car' is preparation and between coat sandings etc. Given I would still need to have someone do that, how much would I actually be saving?

Looks bloody neat though.

Brookie

It is a very hard finish if you read all the links- it can be sanded back to paint by spray.
Tremclad has an agent in Australia but he only sells a few lines, mainly to mining area, and when I spoke to him was not interested in taking any orders.
There is a UK supplier who will send to Australia but expensive for freight.

The Rustproof paints mentioned- but not hammer finish- are closest in Australia.
One that I have been advised and I have used with both brush and spray many moons ago is "agricultural paint" which is used to paint tractors, headers and other hard use agricultural equipment.
Very hard wearing but you would have to pick your colour as you cannot get it colour matched to Kombi or so I have been told by my local country supplier. Perhaps you could mix a couple of colours and get someting you like but keep record of proportions.
There is some great reds, creams and greens in agri equipment.

PPG -formally Dulux- can supply the correct rollers and tray- they are approx 100mm wide and cost about $24 for 10.
They are listed in phone book or Telstra pages on the Telstra site.

Brookie

Another "how to" link to DIY Roller painting -This is with Step by Step links

http://www.instructables.com/id/T...nt-Job-or...-How-to-paint-your-c/

You can go through the step by step sections or go straight to his website
which is set out with all info inclusing quantities.
Remember his quantities are US but easily re-calculated.

Unless you need a show car finish this looks very good- if you use you Kombi for camping and off road it seems ideal.

http://www.stylusscustoms.com/poorMansPaintJob.html

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Brookie

Maybe wrong but had idea that "Moneypenny" found some Tremclad in Tassie hardware store. I think they are in middle of shifting after selling house etc.

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Brookie · Rust-o-leum Australian Address

Superior Coatings Australia
Factory 14, 8-9 Gabrielle Court
Bayswater North, Victoria 3153
Australia
(61) 3-9761-7331 Phone
(61) 3-9761-7337 Fax
(61) 0418-354-315 Mobile

Mr. Iain McEwin
Managing Director
sales@superiorcoatings.com.au
Industrial Products

Dy-Mark (Aust.) Pty. Ltd.
89 Formation Street
Wacol, Queensland 4076
Australia
(61) 7 3271 2222 Phone
(61) 7 3271 3716 Fax

Mr. Ben Gillespie
Director
Industrial Products

Brookie

This is link from MX-5 Forum from guy in Victoria who painted his MX-5.
It also brought back info I received over 12 months ago from UK that boat/yacht paint is excellent for rollers.
I would also point out that the rollers on this site are not as good as PPG rollers.

http://aus-cartalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=27374

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shaihulud

I painted the fibreglass inner of the body tub and the inner and outer of the Targa top on my Manx SR with a roller. The texture is bumpy like orange skin. I used bumper primer and paint and got a good job.

Recently I helped to prepare a BD5 aeroplane for painting using high build primer with a roller. We needed to apply many coats and rub them back to get a reasonable surface. When it was spray painted with a single part white enamel it still showed all the flaws, but that's O.K. on aeroplanes as immaculte surfaces are not expected.

I have no experience with painting top coats on a car, but I'm prepared to try it one day.

BJ

That MX5 link is worth a look for anyone out there looking for a cheap paint job - It's mental, actually Maharg you rollered your bay over there in England - How is it now, has it lasted?

Brookie

E-mailed Superior Coatings and received similar response to my phone call of some months ago.
I guess if you don't stock it no one will want to buy it

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Sorry Warren,

We don’t stock this item in any color other than Navy Grey.

We only stock that item as we have an industrial customer who uses it in some volume.

In general we supply industrial projects; unfortunately we are not able to stock a line of colors in hope of a few retail type sales.

Regards,

Iain.

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Kinga

Peterbro

About 18 months ago I too went on the "where do I get?" run around and came to the conclusion that they didn't want to service this market.

But maybe if those of us who want to buy some collectively place our order of colours and quantities and are prepared to wait for the order to come to Oz, we may get lucky.

From my enquiries, I believed the guy in Victoria would process such an order.

What do you reckon ?, and any takers ?

Piratekombi

I might be interested... as I'm in Victoria, I could also collect and distribute the order. I am not sure yet what colour paint (or quantity) I'll need, though...

Brookie

There is a guy in UK who will send to Australia but it looked a bit expensive.
I think "oberon viking" is also considering the "$50" paint job- sent him link anyway.

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OberonViking

I am very keen to pick up probably 6L of gloss white, and maybe 2L of something for underneath the body.

I have been thinking about either having shipped from a US supplier, or getting a relative in New Jersey to buy and post.

Surely there must be an alternative that is locally available. Perhaps a marine paint. I am having a flexi-day tomorrow, I will start making phone calls, and report back to here asap.

OberonViking

ps, Brookie, I haven't received any link from you, not that it seems necessary now...

Brookie

Kinga

I would be keen on some too, but shudder to think about what the freight costs might be.

OberonViking

I spoke to 3D paint suppliers today, and a suggestion was made to go with QuitRust. It is a high gloss enamel, though only available in a few different base colours. Easily tintable within the limited base range (pink is no problem)
However it is not odourless - which it seems that Rustoleum is, otherwise using odourless mineral turpentine would be a waste of time.
QuitRust cost $80 for 4L, or $25 for 1L.

Rustoleum costs $8 per quart (basically 1L).

If it took 3 quarts for that white coupe I am guessing that I'll need twice that for the exterior of the kombi, and maybe another litre for the interior (depending on how much of the interior I redo - I hope to only hide the green, hope that the paint that is hidden under mats etc is still in good nic)

but then this link suggests different pricing, from the UK, it also says 'no brush strokes, and 'low odour'
http://www.tooled-up.com/Product....olor-Paint-Smooth-Gold-New-750-Ml

but then, just right now i found this thread:
http://oldholden.com/node/30776
with this:
"according to the rustoleum website, 2 aussie distributors are
http://superiorcoatings.com.au
http://www.dymark.com.au/
but you'd prolly find it in the shops if you look around."
and a bit of discussion as to wether KillRust is the same stuff

gotta go, back soon

Kinga

Good info

Thanks for that OberonViking

Brookie

Killrust seems to be very similar and some yachting paints which are formulated for brush and/or roller could possibly be used. One guy from UK did Beetle in yachting paint and it looked good.

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OberonViking

okay, they are the same suppliers Brookie already posted.
I sent an email to the Corporate Headquarters, and to a different person at the Regional Office in Australia for Rustoleum. In both emails I complained that the suppliers weren't interested in the retail market and the Rustoleum was unavailable to Australians. I also threw in that every car-based forum is running hot with the $50 Paint Job thread, all giving a very positive view of Rustoleum.

The low-odour part, and the cost per litre from the US still has my interest over locally available products. Going to find a postage calculator from the US.

(only 2 weeks till I pick up my microbus)

Brookie

We will be counting the sleeps Wink

Also the correct rollers are available from PPG- I bought some 12 months ago in 10 pack for about $25.

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OberonViking

found a postage calculator: US Postal Service
all prices in US, and 6-10 days to arrive
20 pounds $37
40 pounds $165
80 pounds $500
so there has to be a better way than that

going to email some family in the US

Brookie

Have a friend that used to bring out medical equipment from States and he used a special division of US post- it took longer but a cubic metre carton was about 25% of normal freight or post. This was about 10 years ago and he is retired now but will try and catch up with him.

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OberonViking

I've made connection with someone in the US who is looking into sending us some Rustoleum. I fear that freight will still kill the idea.

Who wants some (seriously)? and how much do you want?

I will gather up payment from you before I include your order.

I think I want 6L, maybe 8...

It seems to cost under $10 USD per litre.

Piratekombi

I will be wanting some, probably also 6 or 8 litres. I haven't yet decided whether I am after black, white or a smokey grey.

Kinga

Depending on the freight cost I could be interested.

OberonViking

Dear Robert

Thank you for your e-mail 2nd April 2008.

I have passed your request onto Mr Stan Jankiewicz who is in control of Zinsser Asia Pacific and hopefully may be able to help you obtain the paint you require within Australia.

Thank you Robert for your enquiry, please advise if you have any further questions or problems regarding supply.

Kind regards

Trevor Haydon
Haydn Brush Company
1014 Ferry Road
Christchurch
New Zealand
Ph: +64 3 384 3210
Fax: +64 3 384 3234
www.cosmeticbrushes.co.nz

Peterbro

Count me in for 6 litres maybe 8.
What can I do to help?

Brookie

Rollers.

The correct rollers to use are available from PPG Industries in all States- PPG is ex Dulux.
The Part No. is PPG 952- 49451
10cm Mini Rollers Foam

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Piratekombi

Head office:
McNaughton Rd
Clayton
VIC 3168

p: (03) 9263 6000
p: 1800 800 819

http://www.specifier.com.au/direc...stries-Australia-Pty-Limited.html

I am starting to think I might get black for the body, and a white for the roof... I assume I can use the same paint for the poptop?

http://www.dymark.com.au/coatings/Product-details.aspx?product=885

OberonViking

I just spoke to a very helpful person at the Victorian DyMark store on 03 93143300. They have got the Gloss White on the shelf in the (almost) 1L containers for $28.58 (ex GST => $31.44).

She also said that it is available in NSW, that a local paint store would be able to get it in for me, that I don't have to travel all the way to Victoria to get it. Since I am flying there anyway to buy the bus it is only a 40 minute each way detour (call it an extra 2hours tops).

I think I will call the local paint store and make sure that they can get it. I don't really want to add 2 hours to the journey from Melbourne to Sydney with a 4 month old baby.

65Devy

Wow this painting method sure made it's way round the interweb like wildfire...I started reading the original moparts thread about a year ago, and being a painter, just had to give it a go. I got the beetle half done then it went away for mechanicals, and i only got it back a couple of weeks ago. So been hooking into again lately. I started using Rustoleum for bottom half, then the suppliers could'nt get the orange i wanted, so switched to Brightside marine paint for the top half. I'm quite pleased with it, it's very time comsuming, but certainly capable of a good result in the right hands.

Hope to have the paint side of things finished in a couple of weeks Smile

OberonViking

I forgot to put this is a while back:

the local 3D paint suppliers can get the Rustoleum no worries, for $25/L

and 65Devy:
How much paint did you use? Would you like to hazard a guess at how much to use for the outside of a kombi?

Brookie

Would love to see some more pics. I also originally followed from Mopar and then VZI and it is great to see another paint job.
I had correspondence with UK guy who painted a Beetle and he also used Marine paint as he could get larger colour range and also buy smaller quantities if needed.

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Phat bus

That roof looks really straight from this part of the planet and the colour is awesome too Wink

65Devy

Yeah that Moparts thread is an all time classic i reckon, i spent hours and hours reading it and i still follow it.

There's about 3 Aussies on it, one guy did an MX5 who got amazing results, another did an old Falcon, and this guy did a commodore wagon http://uob-community.ballarat.edu.au/~dmwilson/

Hot Rod mag also did a feature on this method here: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticle...1962_ford_falcon_budget_paint_job

Viking i think i used about 3 litres for the beetle if i remember correctly Confused

One thing i learnt is to start with a uniform surface colourwise, as if you have different patches and colours they will cover at different rates, as it's only a thin coat your are putting on. Your'e best to start with a primer somewhere near your top coat colour.

Here's one of the decklid:

I'm giving the white it's final colour sand this weekend, then a buff, so will post some pics of before and after.

Orange peel is the enemy of this method, however you can minimise that with a bit a practise. I'm sanding my final coat with 1500 then 2000 as it had hardly any peel, but it took me a bit of trial and error to get it that good...

The finish you get with this looks sort of "dull shiny", without layers of clearcoat. Probably similar to the day these cars rolled out of the factory 40 or 50 years ago. Although i like that look on old cars i think it will mark and chip easier, without the clearcoat protection. I'll put a wax on in a couple of months that should help... Cool

65Devy

Got into the buffing yesterday, here's 3 pics of the progress:

Here's how it looked after final wetsand:

After a buff with Mequiars Power Cleaner:

After a polish with Mequiars Swirl Free Polish

That's good enough for me, time to paint the bonnet, put the guards on then give them a buff. More pics later Cool

65Devy

This is what i used:

OberonViking

Awesome, that has me excited again. I can't wait to get home and do some more work on my bus. I've bought an air-powered random orbit sander, and some wet and dry - but I do have to deal with the rust first (not much of it, one day's work) and replacing the moving bits in the front suspension.

Brookie

Any roller painting news? Tried a small section today of silver paint using the proper rollers- just cleaned section and then hit it- quite impressive and it was about 14ºC at time.

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65Devy

My painting is finished, just got to put it all back together:

Brookie

Looks pretty good- lets see some more pics when it is back together.

Would you do it again?

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65Devy

Would i do it again? Well it depends, i would definately do a smaller car this way, but a Kombi? Well, thems some big panels! I'm getting my Kombi professionally painted next month (hopefully), and taking it back to it's original colours (sea blue/blue white), so that rules this method out anyway, as there is only a very limited colour choice...

Piratekombi

Wow, those pix really get me excited... Thanks for that 65Devy! Smile

there is also a thread about rustoleum here:
http://thekombikonnection.myfreef...org/about1552.html&highlight=

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madchef · ppc

has any one tryed ppc / por 15 . www.por15.com.au this seems good , need a top coat after also it does cost alot more , im looking at doing this home paint job soon , i hope so, if someone can tell the best way to do this / where to go for all the paint and rollers that would be good , i know it has been listed but to much reading lol
thanks
Dave

Piratekombi

It seems that POR 15 is best used for underbody work - it is apparently UV-sensitive so not really suitable for paintwork (which will deteriorate). It also sets very hard so won't bond with paint after 24 hours.

There are rust-converters that are sold at most auto stores - they convert rust back into a solid black metalish material that can be sanded and painted over.

madchef

has any one , roller painted there van ?? and if so what paint and what did you use , also where to get it all from , as i want to start painting soon
thanks
Dave

kombi family

howdy , Just finished hand painting with rust-oleum
It took 14 days to do it , Looks a treat , Im just struggling with the pictures . It was fun , you could say it was a good bonding Experience
He even got a new name in the process .
I would recomend you take your time and dont rush
Once you strart stripping the paint back you are committed to finish it
so anyone with a short attention span( DONT HAND PAINT YOUR KOMBIE
Photos on there way ( some how)

Piratekombi

I am looking forward to the photos! And well done...! Smile

There is another thread on rustoleum (with pix) here:
http://thekombikonnection.myfreeforum.org/ftopic1552-0-asc-0.php

madchef

cool cant wait for the pictures , im looking at doing the same , any tips and where did you get the paint and how much , any info would be good , would rust kill work the same ?? as they got a colour i like , are you in perth ?? would like to have a look
thanks
Dave

Brookie

The correct rollers for this type of painting is

Part. No PPG 952-4961-they are 10cm very good foam with rounded end and you can get into tight spaces.

Available in packs of 10
PPG Industries (Ex Dulux)
Dowd St
Welshpool WA

Branches in all States
which have been posted before

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Kinga

There is actually a whole forum on roller painting that I found by complete accident a few weeks back Shocked

Haven't looked at it yet but I bookmarked it for when I had some spare time.

http://www.rolledon.com/

Gabbo's Run

painting a car or bus by brush or roller has been going on for many years. the finish may not be as good as spray, but each person has a idea on what their bus needs to look like and the expense they have and go from there. If you want to do a full resto on your bus, then definately the spray job required. but if you have a lovely bus thats in need of a little glamor look and not to costly then go the other way. at the end of the day, you just want it to look nice for you. we cant all afford 3 or 4 grand paint jobs. when i sit in side our bessie i have no idea what the out side looks like. then i remember it cost me 200 odd bucks on rattle tins. its just nice to brighten her up and get rid of the patches and the fading that was done before you got it.
now saying that i will have to change my avatar.

i forgot to mention, i painted a vauxhall victor in 1971 with a paint brush and them days you only had house paint. after heating the paint on the stove it went on very well and you never even seen a brush mark. Smile

Brookie

Professionals brushpainted well into the 60s and a Rolls would not have quite right if it didn't have 20 or more coats of finish colour.
I hand painted my 37 Chev in the late 50s with a special mitt- it was like fine corduroy and left no brush marks or runs.
Brush painting with the old Dulux was ok as long as you warmed it in a saucepan of hot water and added a desertspoon full of olive oil per pint .

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Brookie

This is another link to how to and DIY restos

http://www.guildclassiccars.com/index.html

another on various aspects of restos

http://www.guildclassiccars.com/restoration_articles.htm

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kombi family

Hey Dave I still have 4 gallon tin left over
It can be tinted using industrial tints cost about $30
It is grey from the navy battleships . $70 is what it cost me
Im in Baldivis if you want to have a look I am buffing it this weekend
your more then welcome
cheers Shane Razz

Peterbro

Hey Shane, where are those pictures ?
And did it only take a gallon for the whole kombi ?
And how many coats and cuts ?
What was your technique and did you flash it with "white spirit" ?
We are hungry for the details.

Brookie

Kombi Family Pics

Before:

After:

Brookie

kombi family

Firstly Cheers Brookie for hooking the photos up
Ok Pete , It only took 2ltrs all up for the grey with a 3 to 1 ratio
Flashed with white spirits
no sanding in between coats ( too lazy for that )
I found that you apply a coat with one roller then give it 10-15 mins
Depending on temp , This leaves little bubbles in which you Then roll over this with another roller with minimal paint on it . This got rid off the bubbles so no need for sanding between coats .
The finished photos are before buffing so we should get
an even better shine
Its easy to do , just watch out for bugs at night , Thers a few under the paint now

madchef

kombi family

Baldivis is at the southern end of the Kwinana freeway

Brookie

Did you do inside ? If so did you use rollers?

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Maharg

kombi family

Howdy Graham
I think rust kill would do the job , I think thinning it down
3 parts paint one part white spirits would help it dry quicker and give you
a better finish .. Try it out

Piratekombi

Wow, that grey colour of kombi family's looks great.... Smile

I've decided the time has come - I was going to wait until after I got the welding done, but at the prices charged for rustoleum, it will be affordable just to repaint afterwards...

I just rang Superior Coatings (Factory 6, 15 Nicole Close, Bayswater North - 03 9761 7331) and they still have tins of "navy grey" rustoleum for $60 a gallon.
http://www.superiorcoatings.com.au/

I will also look for PPG roller part. No PPG 952-4961.

I hope to start on this early next week - of course, I will post up pics of my progress.

Brookie

PPG Clayton- they should be able to tell you outlets

Clayton- PPG Industries Australia Pty Ltd
14 McNaughton Road
Clayton, VIC 3168
Australia
Tel: +61-3-9263-6000
Fax: +61-3-9263-6970

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Piratekombi

The paint on my kombi is pretty glossy - I am still in two minds about spending the weekend stripping it... but I guess it will give me a good opportunity to check the metal (and the paint would possibly attach better to a cleaned surface). It is forecast to rain here next Thursday (and we can't fit Woger into the garage) - so if I strip the paint back, I will have to get new paint on quick!

Woger would look great rolling up to collect paint in bare metal! Smile

Then I have to decide what I am going to do for a clear-coat, to give some extra shine - maybe rattle cans would be easiest?

heretic

Are you serious??

surely there is something you can do on the computer and leave off molesting the kombi who has really done you no harm.
Think of it as a whale. you like them ,dont you?
cheers
col Sad

Brookie

Piratekombi

Brookie

Make sure you use correct "bog" with paint- the old fashioned type and not "bog" for 2 pac.

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kombi family

Have Fun with it woz
I will take some more pics of the updates

Piratekombi

kombi family

woz at the end of the day , I was in the same position with having a realible car over something that looks flash,
The paint job i did looks great , and the money i have saved on a full respray , I can spend more on the motor and Brakes and interior and can happilly drive it anywhere and not be too worried about scratches
Even when you have the money for a full respray the rustoelum with come off with a sand blaster or media blaster ,
Just have fun with it whats the worst that could happen....

heretic

Hi woz.
Dont have long on but will try a quick reply.
Havent used rustoleum and will need to look up specs first.
I was just having a go at you roller painting poor thing [even if I get deleted for having a go at brookies favourite method. ha ha ]just kidding.

Generally spray cans a waste of time as they are thinned too much and contain stuff all paint for the bucks.

Suggest doing 1 panel at a time so job doesnt get u down.

Definately better to do something than leave it. regardless of the appearance.

Only have 5 min left but,
No need to remove all bog, Just if suspect rust or has cracks. If sound sand with 180 grit n clean off n prime. Couple of coats to ensure weather proof.

If rusty. Remove what u can n treat with something compatable with primer. Wattyl super etch no good. U need something like rust converter or 2 pac chromate etch. Penetrol good if compatible with system.

cheers
col

will continue later
cheers

Roller Painting

Rust-o-leum Australian Address

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